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By ref
#176868 Mouais, je pense que c'est surtout générationnel, garçons comme filles de cette tranche d'âge (même si tu ne la précises pas, on la devine) sont habitués au tout, tout de suite, et "gratuit" (légalement ou pas).

Combien de fois Stéphane a-t-il affiché des demandes émanant de gars qui lui demandaient du contenu gratuitement, ou d'avoir au moins une ristourne (avançant l'argument ultime: j'ai pas d'argent)?

Je pense que c'est pareil pour les 2 sexes, la différence c'est que les filles obtiendront des résultats plus facilement, pouvoir de séduction oblige.
By john dilinger
#176870 Je n'ai jamais eu à négocier le prix de mes cours avec un gars.

Après, il y a effectivement un biais statistique dans mon cas. Les 20-25 ans qui sont intéressés par mes cours sont toutes des filles. Donc s'il y avait eu des gars dans cette tranche d'âge, j'aurai peut-être eu des demandes à la baise.

Néanmoins, je repense à l'allemande de 35 ans qui m'a **** les burnes pour descendre aussi le prix à la baisse, pour finalement accepté un compromis.
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By la mouche
#176872 [quote="john dilinger"]Après, il y a effectivement un biais statistique dans mon cas. Les 20-25 ans qui sont intéressés par mes cours sont toutes des filles. Donc s'il y avait eu des gars dans cette tranche d'âge, j'aurai peut-être eu des demandes à la baise.
:mrgreen:
By KindOfTrue
#176900 [quote="john dilinger"]Je n'ai jamais eu à négocier le prix de mes cours avec un gars.

Après, il y a effectivement un biais statistique dans mon cas. Les 20-25 ans qui sont intéressés par mes cours sont toutes des filles. Donc s'il y avait eu des gars dans cette tranche d'âge, j'aurai peut-être eu des demandes à la baise.

Néanmoins, je repense à l'allemande de 35 ans qui m'a **** les burnes pour descendre aussi le prix à la baisse, pour finalement accepté un compromis.

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By umami
#177207 Sur ce point, je viens de trouver une question Quora:
[size=150]What advantages do women have that men don't?[/size]
[url]https://www.quora.com/What-advantages-do-women-have-that-men-dont[/url]

Les deux réponses qui arrivent en premier, par des femmes:

[quote]Isidora Müller a écrit:

Their advantages are that they do not suffer from these disadvantages:

  • Men are expected to occupy the most dangerous and/or lowest paying jobs and positions (waste collection, roofing and construction, truck driving, mining, logging, firefighting, most things related to war).Women want a minimum female quote in CEO- and high-payed jobs but than on the other hand I have never heared feminist cry about female quotes in military service or in those jobs named above.

  • Women are expected to date up, men are expected to date down. A man is expected to be taller, smarter, more athletic, and earn more than his female companion.

  • Men are conditioned to reject anything feminine within themselves such as emotions, frailty, and so on. Male-on-male violence is treated as a sport, as an ideal, and as entertainment than for what it actually is.

  • Throughout history women were/are treated as property, but men were/are expected to die for their country or their property [and home and nation, which constitute as property]

  • Although some women are not allowed to work; men are expected to relocate more often, work longer hours, and to keep a smaller cut of their paycheques for themselves than women, due to socially decided portions of obligations such as mortgages, romantic outings, and such. Even if this wouldn't be enough do women actually earn more than men, if you only compare productivity. (Women make longer and more often breaks and are 1.4 times more often ill than men)

  • The stats are iffy on this, but the combination of casually shunned female-on-male rape and male-on-male rape in places such as prison paints men as both leading victims of sexual violence and as the most silent majority (hence why the stats are iffy).

  • There's no male equivalent of anything that a man can lie about a woman that can ruin her life, reputation, and career as dramatically as a woman's false cry of abuse or rape.

  • Boys are commonly shown less compassion than girls from an early age (amongst other things, boys are picked up after and slower than girls when they cry).

  • If a women already has offsprings her new man is damned to provide for them too or otherwise be seen as antisocial. Almost any woman can have sex and reproduce. Men have to compete, often brutally, for sex and reproduction. Furthermore can men be tricked into pouring all their resources into another man's child when their mate cheated.

  • The combination of marriage and divorce is heavily sided against men in countries like the USA; men are expected to provide financial support for their wives and women to provide emotional support for their husbands, and after divorce ex-husbands are expected to continue their financial support in some way while ex-wives continuing their emotional support after divorce is unheard of.

  • When a man and a woman commit the same crime the man will most times receive a harsher sentence and be assumed the initiator if the man and woman were partners in crime (this is largely sexist towards women in that it believes men to be more in control of their own actions, but it's a double-edged sword).

  • Under-funding of research for male-specific medical disorders (prostate cancer, etc)

  • And: are perceived as sexual predators and naturally violent, suffer lots of misandry in the media, lack of crisis centers / men shelters etc, control only 20% of family spending, make only 48% of vote population in the US but are still blamed for male presidents and bad politics, are highly more likely to become homeless, are outnumbered at universities, kill themselves at a rate 4-5 times more often, are about 4 times more likely to be the victim of violent crimes, are less likely to receive outside assistance when in trouble, openly discrimination against men is totally fine (...)


[quote]Clara Na a écrit:

Biological perks:
When a woman is sexually aroused, nothing large and hard pops up and sticks out.
Women are "the fairer sex", meaning that if one faceswaps an attractive woman and an attractive man, the woman's face on the man will almost always look much less hideous than the man's face on the woman.
Women have boobs! Boobs are great, even on one's own body if they're a manageable size.
Women smell better than men (medicalnewstoday.comkeener olfactory sense, although I personally do find that women's scents are more pleasing).
Women have superior flexibility.
Women live longer.
Women are less likely to suffer from color blindness, haemophilia, and Duchenne muscular dystrophy.
Women don't get testicular cancer, as a general rule.
No one has to ask, "who's the mother?"
Most importantly in my opinion, if/when human cloning becomes common practice, women will be able to clone women and serve as their own surrogate mothers, eliminating the need for the male sex.

Social perks (applies mostly to first world countries):
An attractive young woman always has the fallback option of becoming a trophy wife. She can do this without being ostracized nearly as much as a man would be.
A young woman in most countries doesn't have to worry about being drafted for the military.
A woman is less likely to work a dangerous job.
A woman can beat and/or rape a man and have a good chance of escaping without consequences.
A woman can act "like a man" without the social repercussions a man would suffer for acting "like a girl".
In most countries, a young woman has more freedom to experiment sexually (with other women)
A woman has more freedom to cry than a man.
A woman has more freedom to express emotions than a man.
A woman has more freedom to dress and accessorize expressively than a man.
A woman in STEM is valued for diversity.
A mother is often seen as more important to her child than the father.
A woman can get into parties for free, get free booze and drugz, etc.
A woman traditionally does not pay the bill on dates.
A woman can more easily get out of being ticketed by a police officer.
I used to hate being a girl until the second grade when we learned about the Titanic and I realized that no matter how much being a girl sucks sometimes, if I'm ever on a sinking ship, women and children get to save themselves without social repercussions while men are expected to be "noble" or some crap like that.
By Anthony
#177591 Rien de tel qu'une bonne gerbe dès le matin :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqHYzYn3WZw
By mwu
#177596 [quote="umami"]Sur ce point, je viens de trouver une question Quora:
[size=150]What advantages do women have that men don't?[/size]
[url]https://www.quora.com/What-advantages-do-women-have-that-men-dont[/url]

Les deux réponses qui arrivent en premier, par des femmes:

[quote]Isidora Müller a écrit:

Their advantages are that they do not suffer from these disadvantages:

  • Men are expected to occupy the most dangerous and/or lowest paying jobs and positions (waste collection, roofing and construction, truck driving, mining, logging, firefighting, most things related to war).Women want a minimum female quote in CEO- and high-payed jobs but than on the other hand I have never heared feminist cry about female quotes in military service or in those jobs named above.

  • Women are expected to date up, men are expected to date down. A man is expected to be taller, smarter, more athletic, and earn more than his female companion.

  • Men are conditioned to reject anything feminine within themselves such as emotions, frailty, and so on. Male-on-male violence is treated as a sport, as an ideal, and as entertainment than for what it actually is.

  • Throughout history women were/are treated as property, but men were/are expected to die for their country or their property [and home and nation, which constitute as property]

  • Although some women are not allowed to work; men are expected to relocate more often, work longer hours, and to keep a smaller cut of their paycheques for themselves than women, due to socially decided portions of obligations such as mortgages, romantic outings, and such. Even if this wouldn't be enough do women actually earn more than men, if you only compare productivity. (Women make longer and more often breaks and are 1.4 times more often ill than men)

  • The stats are iffy on this, but the combination of casually shunned female-on-male rape and male-on-male rape in places such as prison paints men as both leading victims of sexual violence and as the most silent majority (hence why the stats are iffy).

  • There's no male equivalent of anything that a man can lie about a woman that can ruin her life, reputation, and career as dramatically as a woman's false cry of abuse or rape.

  • Boys are commonly shown less compassion than girls from an early age (amongst other things, boys are picked up after and slower than girls when they cry).

  • If a women already has offsprings her new man is damned to provide for them too or otherwise be seen as antisocial. Almost any woman can have sex and reproduce. Men have to compete, often brutally, for sex and reproduction. Furthermore can men be tricked into pouring all their resources into another man's child when their mate cheated.

  • The combination of marriage and divorce is heavily sided against men in countries like the USA; men are expected to provide financial support for their wives and women to provide emotional support for their husbands, and after divorce ex-husbands are expected to continue their financial support in some way while ex-wives continuing their emotional support after divorce is unheard of.

  • When a man and a woman commit the same crime the man will most times receive a harsher sentence and be assumed the initiator if the man and woman were partners in crime (this is largely sexist towards women in that it believes men to be more in control of their own actions, but it's a double-edged sword).

  • Under-funding of research for male-specific medical disorders (prostate cancer, etc)

  • And: are perceived as sexual predators and naturally violent, suffer lots of misandry in the media, lack of crisis centers / men shelters etc, control only 20% of family spending, make only 48% of vote population in the US but are still blamed for male presidents and bad politics, are highly more likely to become homeless, are outnumbered at universities, kill themselves at a rate 4-5 times more often, are about 4 times more likely to be the victim of violent crimes, are less likely to receive outside assistance when in trouble, openly discrimination against men is totally fine (...)


[quote]Clara Na a écrit:

Biological perks:
When a woman is sexually aroused, nothing large and hard pops up and sticks out.
Women are "the fairer sex", meaning that if one faceswaps an attractive woman and an attractive man, the woman's face on the man will almost always look much less hideous than the man's face on the woman.
Women have boobs! Boobs are great, even on one's own body if they're a manageable size.
Women smell better than men (medicalnewstoday.comkeener olfactory sense, although I personally do find that women's scents are more pleasing).
Women have superior flexibility.
Women live longer.
Women are less likely to suffer from color blindness, haemophilia, and Duchenne muscular dystrophy.
Women don't get testicular cancer, as a general rule.
No one has to ask, "who's the mother?"
Most importantly in my opinion, if/when human cloning becomes common practice, women will be able to clone women and serve as their own surrogate mothers, eliminating the need for the male sex.

Social perks (applies mostly to first world countries):
An attractive young woman always has the fallback option of becoming a trophy wife. She can do this without being ostracized nearly as much as a man would be.
A young woman in most countries doesn't have to worry about being drafted for the military.
A woman is less likely to work a dangerous job.
A woman can beat and/or rape a man and have a good chance of escaping without consequences.
A woman can act "like a man" without the social repercussions a man would suffer for acting "like a girl".
In most countries, a young woman has more freedom to experiment sexually (with other women)
A woman has more freedom to cry than a man.
A woman has more freedom to express emotions than a man.
A woman has more freedom to dress and accessorize expressively than a man.
A woman in STEM is valued for diversity.
A mother is often seen as more important to her child than the father.
A woman can get into parties for free, get free booze and drugz, etc.
A woman traditionally does not pay the bill on dates.
A woman can more easily get out of being ticketed by a police officer.
I used to hate being a girl until the second grade when we learned about the Titanic and I realized that no matter how much being a girl sucks sometimes, if I'm ever on a sinking ship, women and children get to save themselves without social repercussions while men are expected to be "noble" or some crap like that.

+100000


Bon ensuite les gens sur Quora sont déjà un subset de la population et parmi les femmes encore plus...

Sinon pour ceux qui n'aurait pas vu, courronnement du topic :
https://www.spikeseduction.com/articles ... femme.html

J'essayais d'expliquer à une jolie RH, de 27 ans qui se sent vieillir que ce n'est pas la fin du monde.
En lui disant que c'est normal que la période 16-25 lui manque vu tous les avantages qu'en tant que jolie fille elle a eu (et qu'elle a encore faut pas déconner) mais que vieillir n'est pas la fin du monde et qu'au lieu de chercher à être jeune à tout prix (ne pas accepter son age, et devenir vraiment moche) elle devrait se concentrer sur ce que, avec les années elle a apprit et peux amener aujourd'hui (aux autres, à la société etc).
She is into me, donc elle a tendance à dire oui, qu'elle y croit ou non.

Then it hit me:

Les femmes doivent aussi avoir peur de la vieillesse et de l'arret du free pass "jeune et jolie" car elles savent qu'elles n'ont rien d'autres a donner.
Vous connaissez le syndrome de l'imposteur ? C'est la même sauf que, alors que le syndrome touche généralement des gens qui ne sont pas des imposteurs, pour les femmes c'est le cas. Elles savent que, tick tock, si on leur enlève la beauté... ya rien dessous.

Et pourquoi il n'y a rien? Car elles n'ont jamais dû développer ce "dessous". On ne développe que ce dont on a besoin.
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By la mouche
#177601 [quote="ref"][quote="Anthony"]Rien de tel qu'une bonne gerbe dès le matin :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqHYzYn3WZw
Effectivement écœurant.

La bonne nouvelle est qu'il y a plus de pouces en bas qu'en haut.

Un des commentaires:
I don't understand why the profanity is needed to get the point across, because as much as these people want to get a point across in this video, the only point they're getting across is that the parents of the children in this video need to be locked up for mistreating their child.
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By Cybermen
#177638 Une infraction de non-dénonciation d'une agression sexuelle commise sur un mineur est créée : « des circonstances aggravantes pourront s’appliquer à l’environnement de l’enfant, et non seulement au père »

Eh ben, il y a une justice quand-même ! Serait-ce une réponse à la grâce présidentielle accordée à Jacqueline Sauvage qui avait - je le rappelle - accusée son mari d'attouchements sur les enfants pour tenter de justifier a posteriori son meurtre de sang froid.

Désormais, toutes les grognasses qui voudront mentir lors des divorces se prendront un retour de bâton bien mérité dans la gueule.

Voilà un avantage de moins :lol:
By Estrelinha
#177639 [quote="Cybermen"]Une infraction de non-dénonciation d'une agression sexuelle commise sur un mineur est créée : « des circonstances aggravantes pourront s’appliquer à l’environnement de l’enfant, et non seulement au père »

Eh ben, il y a une justice quand-même ! Serait-ce une réponse à la grâce présidentielle accordée à Jacqueline Sauvage qui avait - je le rappelle - accusée son mari d'attouchements sur les enfants pour tenter de justifier a posteriori son meurtre de sang froid.

Désormais, toutes les grognasses qui voudront mentir lors des divorces se prendront un retour de bâton bien mérité dans la gueule.

Voilà un avantage de moins :lol:


C'est rare de lire une bonne nouvelle de la part de la législation française ces dix dernières années!

Alléluia!!!!!
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By Gin
#177754 Je ne sais pas si tout le monde le savait, mais moi je viens de le découvrir !

[url]http://thenextweb.com/shareables/2016/03/09/one-man-spent-day-twitter-correcting-people-international-mens-day/[/url]

[url]https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journ%C3%A9e_internationale_de_l%27homme[/url]

La journée internationale de l'homme a défini plusieurs objectifs quant à son action :

[quote]Promouvoir les modèles masculins positifs ; pas uniquement les stars de cinéma et les vedettes du sport, mais les ordinaires comme les hommes de classe ouvrière qui vivent leurs vies de façon honorable et honnête.

Célébrer les contributions positives des hommes à la société, à la communauté, à la famille, au mariage, aux soins des enfants et à l'environnement.

Se concentrer sur la santé et le bien-être des hommes ; socialement, émotivement, physiquement, sexuellement et spirituellement.

Dévoiler la discrimination contre les hommes ; dans les secteurs des services sociaux, des attitudes sociales, des attentes, de la loi et des sanctions judiciaires.

Améliorer les relations entre les sexes et pour promouvoir l’égalité.
créer un monde plus certain et meilleur ; là où les gens peuvent vivre en pleine sécurité et grandir en vivant leur plein potentiel

On dirait presque que la page a été écrite par Stéphane :mrgreen:
By chum
#177757 [quote="Gin"]Je ne sais pas si tout le monde le savait, mais moi je viens de le découvrir !

[url]http://thenextweb.com/shareables/2016/03/09/one-man-spent-day-twitter-correcting-people-international-mens-day/[/url]

[url]https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journ%C3%A9e_internationale_de_l%27homme[/url]


En Russie et en Europe de l'Est, la journée de l'homme est le 23 février. C'était à l'origine la journée du soldat russe.
http://www.rfi.fr/europe/20160223-russi ... rmee-chars

C'est célébré dans les entreprises, tout comme la journée de la femme. Le 23 février, toutes les femmes de l'entreprise invitent les hommes à prendre un apéro avec bière et gateaux, et offrent un petit cadeau (quand j'y étais, elles avaient envoyé le trombinoscope de la société à un dessinateur qui nous avait tous caricaturé en soldats russes). Le 7 mars (car le 8 est férié), les hommes offrent une rose à chaque femme de la société et on prend à un nouveau un verre à la fin de la journée de travail.

Et bizarremment, ca ne choque personne la-bas qu'il y ait une journée pour chaque sexe...
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By Sébastian
#178930 Puisqu'il a souvent été question des coûts du divorce sur le forum, une double page d'autant plus drôle qu'elle a été écrite par une femme parue dans le dernier Lui :

[img]http://i.imgur.com/nNKsU2q.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/eZmbpm9.jpg[/img]