- Lun Mar 05, 2007 8:33 pm
#3622
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Q: "There's this one woman (I've been chasing for X days/months/years)... how do I get her to [like / love / sleep with me]?"
A: This is called "obsession amoureuse". An AFC who doesn't realize he's an AFC (Average Frustrated Chump) will never understand why nobody can answer this question for him or why he will never be able to get this woman with his current mindset. First, you have to realize that if you're thinking this way, you will always be an AFC and will almost always fail with women (you're only sucesses coming from luck - hence, the term "getting lucky" which is used often by AFC types). Here's why you can't win over this woman: you don't yet know how to go out and get 10 more desireable women in a short amount of time. If you DID know how to do that, you would not be obsessed with getting this one woman and you would already know how to answer your own question. Why? Think about it. If you could go out and have 10 (or more) women who are smarter, nicer, more beautiful, and more exciting than the one you are obsessing about, how important do you think she would be to you? You see, you can't just go from being an AFC to "grand séducteur" (Pick-up Artist) without a certain understanding. You have to first admit to yourself that you're an AFC and get into recovery mode, becoming an timide en voie de guérison (Recovering AFC). Learn to stop thinking like an AFC and the road to becoming a "grand séducteur" will be clear. Once that road is clear, you will begin to understand the answer to this question. The reason this question is so difficult for an AFC to grasp is that truly understanding the answer is an epiphany.
[jetman coined obsession amoureuse, one of the most problematic symptoms of AFCs]
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Q: "I'm interested in a particular girl I know from [work, school, a club, whatever], can you tell me how to get her to [like me, date me, sleep with me, whatever]?"
A: "obsession amoureuse" strikes again. First, go sleep with 10 other women in the next month and then decide afterwards whether you still want to pursue this particular woman. If you already have the skill to bed that many women in a month then you already know the answer to your question. Otherwise, you need to work on your skills for doing just that - by reading the posts on ASF, participating in discussions, absorbing and experimenting with the knowledge you learn from others. Once you've done that, the woman you're pining over now will likely disappear from your mind, knowing that your choice of women has increased vastly.
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Q: "But I don't have obsession amoureuse - my situation is different."
A: It's obsession amoureuse. Get over it.
There is only one reason why people will tell you that it sounds like obsession amoureuse, even though you have clarified in the beginning that "I assure you...it is not..."
The simple fact of the matter is that this forum, this *seduction* forum, has NO SPECIFIC ADVICE on landing "that one girl" - it is IMPOSSIBLE for the people here giving and asking advice to pinpoint exactly what makes this one girl "friend" of yours tick, so it would be impossible to say with certainty what to do to get her. [Formhandle: And, if it were possible for you to provide detailed information about her, what her values are, what her "map of the world" or belief system is like, then you would have all you need to begin leading her to a lay in the first place and you would not be asking for this kind of advice. Which means that your problem isn't "that one girl", it's your lack of understanfing in general in being able to diagnose what's missing in your PU skills. So the answer to your question can never be how to get that one girl, it's that you need to figure out what PU and seduction skills you are lacking and start practicing and applying those missing skills on many other chicks.]
...the reason people will tell you that you need to "F**K ten other women" is still valid, because you will not know what you have to do with her until you have the skills to FTOW. It is that simple, and that is the only advice the best "grand séducteur"'s can give.
~Sandstorm, mASF, 2002/02/28
Here's an analogy:
You're a lousy baseball player and somehow managed to get yourself signed up as a rookie hitter in some major league team. So in your first few games, you go up to swing the bat at pitches from a typical major league pitcher. He's nothing special, he just happens to be worthy to be on a major league team. You keep striking out because, well, you've so far in your life been a lousy baseball player. But it's cool to be on a major league team... and you don't want to get cut. So if you want to stay on the team, you have to learn to hit.
You go to your coach and say, "Coach, I'm hitting lousy against this one pitcher, but I want to be really good at hitting in the major leagues. Can you tell me how I can get a hit through that one pitcher?" The coach says, "Your problem isn't that one pitcher, your problem is that you're a lousy hitter and have never played in the majors. Just practice with the team and play through the season against other pitchers and by the end of the season you'll be in good form. And, who knows, you may even run up against that one pitcher at the end of the season after you've gained all your new skills and be able to get a hit off him then."
The guy who doesn't understand or accept what the coach is saying responds with, "But coach, I want to hit good against that one pitcher now! How is finishing up the season with terrain training and practice going to help me against that one pitcher now?"
Comme quoi il est parfois utile de retourner aux bases... (cf article d'Alexandre).[/quote]